Season 3

Episode 43 – Healing Highlights from Seasons 2 & 3

The animating question of Revealing Voices is “What does healing mean to you?”

Tony and Eric have explored a wide diversity of responses to this question from our guests over the last 3 years. You will hear the voices of 15 different people in this episode, ranging from a Mental health Peer Counselor to Pastor to Landscape Architect.

As Tony and i introduce each of the highlights, we will reference the episode where you can find the full interview.

If you are interested in hearing highlights from Season 1, listen to Episode 29.

Episode 42- That Healing Feeling (Part 2)

This is part 2 with Sibyl Towner. We had so much fun with her and forgot to ask her our key question, “What does healing mean to you?” This episode focuses on her response to that question.

The episode begins with my conversation with her the day after our original interview (Tony was not in studio). The second half of the episode has our reflections, since we did not share on Episode 41.


The Spring Retreat Center in Oldenburg, IN

Pilgrim at Tinker Creek by Annie Dillard

Writing Wild; Women Poets, Ramblers, and Mavericks Who Shape How We See The Natural World by Kathryn Aalto

See Episode 41 for Shownotes on Thomas Merton, Richard Rohr, and Henri Nouwen

Episode 41 – Retreating with Sibyl Towner (Part 1)

Sibyl Towner has a passion to help people identify the voice of God that is within them and to encourage a responsiveness to that voice. She has over 50 years of experience in extended household living as well as decades of pastoral leadership positions at College Hill Presbyterian Church in Cincinnati and Willow Creek Community Church in Chicago. Noted for welcoming and listening across the ages and appreciating the gift of both men and women, she delights in creating a sacred and safe space to meet with God and others.

She currently serves as a co- director of The Springs Christian Retreat Center where she teaches a two-year certificate program for Spiritual Direction through the School of Sustainable Faith. She is co- founder of One Life Maps and co-author of Listen to my Life, a tool for recognizing and responding to God in your life.

Sibyl received training through The Sustainable Faith of School of Spiritual Direction and has served for ten years as a spiritual director at The Transforming Center. She is knowledgeable in the Enneagram.

Some topics include:

How does The Springs Retreat Center uniquely support pastors who are struggling with burnout?

What is the arc of her ministry that led to becoming co-director at The Springs?

How does Sibyl define spiritual mentoring and how does she practice it?

How has she used her understanding of the Enneagram in her own life?


The Springs Retreat Center – Sibyl’s retreat center near Oldenburg, IN (halfway between Cincinnati and Indianapolis)

One Life Maps – Sibyl’s personal growth and spiritual mentoring website

Abbey of Gethsemani, Thomas Merton’s abbey – location of important spiritual development for Sibyl

Enneagram Institute – Sibyl briefly touches on her use of Enneagram in her mentoring practice and personal development

Return of the Prodigal Son by Henri Nouwen

Everything Belongs by Richard Rohr

Prodigal God by Tim Keller

Episode 40 — When Despair Meets Delight Author, Tony Roberts

Eric and Tony discuss Tony’s new book, When Despair Meets Delight: Stories to Cultivate Hope for Those Battling Mental Illness. The book is a memoir of a minister with a mental illness and model for mental health ministry. Autographed copies can currently be ordered at Tony’s website: On October 1, copies will be available on Amazon.


Tony’s first book is Delight in Disorder: Ministry, Madness, Mission

me and White Supremacy book by Layla F. Saad – Eric is reading with his men’s group

Bee City USA – National initiative by the Xerces Society for cities and campuses to actively plant native wildflowers and support life of bees, butterflies, and other pollinators

A blog post by Tony honoring the life of his father, Veston E Roberts

Episode 39 – Environmental Stewardship with Rachel Kavathe

Rachel Kavathe is an artist, landscape architect, and city planner. Her work focuses on creative placemaking and site-specific art installations. Her studio is located in Columbus, Indiana. 

Rachel has over 15 years of experience working with communities to create, enhance, and celebrate the genius loci, or spirit of a place. Her work ranges in scale from community-wide master planning and public space design, to public art installations, and environmental art.

Her business can be found at

Since 2017, Rachel and Eric have been working on creating “Pollinator Parks” in Columbus, IN with a focus on Blackwell Park and Pleasant Grove.

Some topics include:

What childhood experiences helped shape her passion for environmental advocacy?

How can an individual proactively advocate for the environment and reduce negative impacts of climate change?

How has public support changed in relation to investing in parks and using native plants?

What vision does Rachel have for future work projects related to wellness?

What does healing mean to you?


Just Mercy movie

Central Park 5 documentary

Friends of Pollinator Parks Facebook Group – Rachel and Eric started this group in Columbus to encourage people to invest in parks and use native wildflowers in public and private landscapes

Rachel’s #100daysofsculpture Instagram project

Eric’s #100plantproject Instagram project

Rachel’s blog (coming soon) at

A Timeless MLK Eulogy from 57 years ago

From pandemic to protest. 2020 has been a difficult year. We seek spiritual leadership. During this time, Tony and I look to the healing words of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

This eulogy was given in 1963 following a bombing at 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama. “They were discussing the eternal meaning of love”, he says, reflecting on the girls last moments within the walls of the church.

A timeline of the events leading up the event was summarized in a 2019 in a CNN article:

September 15, 1963 – A bomb blast at the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama, kills four African-American girls during church services. At least 14 others are injured in the explosion, including Sarah Collins, the 12-year-old sister of victim Addie Mae Collins, who loses an eye.Three former Ku Klux Klan members are eventually convicted of murder for the bombing.

Addie Mae Collins, 14
Denise McNair, 11
Carole Robertson, 14
Cynthia Wesley, 14

September 15, 1963 – 
– Riots break out, and two African-American boys, Virgil Ware, 13, and Johnny Robinson, 16, are also killed. In all, at least 20 people are injured from the initial bombing and the ensuing riots.
– Alabama Governor George Wallace sends 500 National Guardsmen and 300 state troopers to the city. The next day, they are joined by 500 police officers and 150 sheriffs’ deputies.

September 16, 1963 – President John F. Kennedy responds by saying, “If these cruel and tragic events can only awaken that city and state – if they can only awaken this entire nation to a realization of the folly of racial injustice and hatred and violence, then it is not too late for all concerned to unite in steps toward peaceful progress before more lives are lost.”

The hope embodied in this eulogy must remain in our national aspirations. We pray that we are striving to become a more just and equitable society – a core part of King’s dream. It pains us that George Floyd’s death is not an outlier, but only another death of people of color at the hands of the police.

A BBC article lists a timeline of deaths since Eric Garner’s death by choke hold in 2014. Say their names in your thoughts and prayers, but more importantly, proactively work on behalf of those most oppressed who live in a nation desperately needing healing.

Episode 38 – The Heart of Advocacy

Leslie Carpenter is a serious brain disorders advocate who is working to improve quality of care for people with brain disorders all along the continuum of care locally, in the state of Iowa and in the country.  She also teaches NAMI Family to Family & NAMI Provider training and is an active member of her local NAMI Johnson County Board of Directors in Iowa City, Iowa.  

She and her husband, Scott, have been advocating for improvements in reimbursement rates for mental health professionals, treatment facilities, supportive community housing and ending the IMD exclusion.  They have 2 children, one of whom has a Schizoaffective Disorder combined with Anosognosia.  

They have witnessed just how traumatic it can be for someone with a serious brain disorder to get medical treatment, and want to work for improved collaboration between the patients and providers, and amongst the people involved at all levels of treatment.  

Leslie’s Famous Snickerdoodle Recipe!!!!

3 3/4 Cups All-Purpose Baking Flour

1/2 Teaspoon Baking Soda

1/2 Teaspoon Cream of Tartar

1/2 Teaspoon Salt

1 cup softened butter

2 cups sugar

2 eggs

1/4 cup milk

1 teaspoon vanilla

3 tablespoons sugar

1 teaspoon cinnamon

Oven 375 degrees. Grease a cookie sheet. Stir together flour, soda, cream of tartar, and 1/2 teaspoon salt. Beat butter for 30 seconds; add the 2 cups of sugar and beat till fluffy. Add eggs, milk, and vanilla; beat well. Add dry ingredients to mixture, beating well till well combined. Form dough into 1″ balls; roll in a mixture of the 3 teaspoons sugar and cinnamon. Place balls 2″ apart on a cookie sheet; flatten slightly. Bake in a 375 degree oven about 8 minutes or till light golden. Makes about 60!

Topics Include:

Why use the term “Brain Disorder”?

What personal interactions has she had with presidential candidates in Iowa?

How can the court system support those with who struggle with their diagnosis?

What does healing mean to you?


“Crazy: A Father’s Search Through America’s Mental Health Madness” by Pete Earley

“I’m Not Sick, I Don’t Need Help” by Dr. Xavier Amador

NAMI – National Alliance on Mental Illness. There are also links to state-specific NAMI sites

Joe Biden Mental Health Platform

Next Episode:

Parenting During a Pandemic

Episode 37 – Pastoring in the Pandemic

As we press forward in these difficult days, we want to feature voices from a variety of perspectives whose life and work has been strongly impacted by this crisis. On this episode, Les Rust talks about how the virus and ensuing quarantine is impacting the ministry of faith communities.

Leslie D. Rust is a Presbyterian pastor, writer, and blogger who has a keen interest in liturgy, monastic spirituality and the mysteries of faith. Having grown up in the mountains of east Tennessee he is an avid hiker, camper, and makes and hangs out in hammocks of his own creation. He is fond of music, mirth, and at least a little bit of mayhem. He can be found blogging at .

Episode 36 – Pain in the Pandemic

On this day before Easter, Tony and Eric want to acknowledge the pain experienced across the globe during this Lent season. On Ash Wednesday (February 26), social distancing and quarantines were not yet being discussed in America. Over the 40 days of Lent, we have gained more empathy for the physical, economic, social, and psychological pain created by the coronavirus.


Tony pays homage to his favorite singer-song writer, John Prine, who died earlier this week.

To follow Eric’s 100 Day Project on Instagram, search “#100plantproject”. It’s the 50th Anniversary of Earth Day on April 22!

Episode 35 – Spouse Takeover!

Jen Riddle and Susan Lockwood-Roberts are guest hosts on this very special episode of Revealing Voices. Be prepared to have a different side of Tony and Eric “revealed” by their beautiful wives…..